the debate ends because i can't, you know -- there's nowhere to go from there. they refuse to believe it. i see this happen -- so i see this happen all the time. i think what i thought when i saw the unskewed polls.com site, this is really embarrassing. this is like normal people escaping to the shelter of this poll, the site went up a week ago. when we put up posts about it, we were getting tons of search hits for it. so there's this huge thirst. as you said, i remember during past elections, every losing candidate has had this. the hillary voters in the 2008 primary had their own circle. they were convinced that the support for obama was way overstated. you were totally right about 2004, the 2002. like every election this happens, but the weird how this really happened in the last week was kind of remarkable. >> isn't this -- i think this is sort of a subset of a larger trend on the right? it's been going on for a really long time. there's a sort of combination of self-pity and sort of feeding the idea that they are victims of this massive conspiracy by the le